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  How did you feel when you got baptized?

  by Schnufti in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  back in 2005, i remember sitting in the stadium in the special rows with 42 others.

  8000 people were looking at us - maybe even with a binocular - while listening to the speech.

  my family and my friends among them, being all proud of me.. i don't remember being enthusiastic.

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  It was November, 3 months after Woodstock, I shivered. I was a month shy of being 10 years old. That is what I remember.
  
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  Joachim Boldt - Two More Retractions for WT's bloodless "expert"

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  from retraction watch:.

  when you have 94 retractions, what's two more?.

  attention joachim boldt: the 1990s are calling, and they want their papers back.the annals of thoracic surgery has retracted two papers from the early 1990s on which boldt was the first author – bringing the retraction tally for the disgraced german anesthesiologist to 96, by our count.

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  The kind of stuff that really raises eyebrows in the medical and academic communities. This is the primary audience we are going after these days, and this is powerful stuff that will give physicians second thoughts about swallowing Watchtower's/HLC dubious medical advice.
  
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  Joachim Boldt - Two More Retractions for WT's bloodless "expert"

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  from retraction watch:.

  when you have 94 retractions, what's two more?.

  attention joachim boldt: the 1990s are calling, and they want their papers back.the annals of thoracic surgery has retracted two papers from the early 1990s on which boldt was the first author – bringing the retraction tally for the disgraced german anesthesiologist to 96, by our count.

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  We need to publish an article on this fellow at AJWRB, don't you agree?
  
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  Was looking at my childhood book "From Paradise Lost to Paradise Regained" I found something interesting.

  by Still Totally ADD in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was showing a friend of mine what kind of books my parents allowed me to read when i was very young.

  no children books that was age related but the so called orange paradise book was my only children book i had.

  she was taken back on how violent it was and showing little kids being killed by god was just unspeakable.

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  Lee Elder

  Scared the heck out of me as a little kid too. Straight up child abuse.
  
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  Best statement a householder made to get you to leave them alone.

  by Esse quam videri in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  knocked on a door on a saturday morning.

  a window opened on the floor above me.

  a grizzled old man stuck his head out and said, " we're all heathens here!

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  Lee Elder

  Actually walked up to a door once as a 15 year old and a young couple were doing the wild thing in the living room with the front door open. Good times.
  
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  Best statement a householder made to get you to leave them alone.

  by Esse quam videri in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  knocked on a door on a saturday morning.

  a window opened on the floor above me.

  a grizzled old man stuck his head out and said, " we're all heathens here!

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  "I'm an apostate".
  
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  Sample Disassociation Letter please?

  by LifesNotOver in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i want to send a disassociation letter to the elders at my old congregation.

  how do i address it and what wording do i use?

  i know it's not something i have to do, it's symbolic for me.

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  Lee Elder

  It is rare in this life that something is "always" the best or worst, etc. We all have unique situations. Personally, if I would have disassociated when I left, there would be a lot of people still actively in the organization that are now out. Due to the fact that many "JWs" continued to think of me as a "JW" and an elder, I was able to have a level of influence I would not have otherwise had. Family relationships were also easier. This is a personal decision each person has to make, and its not for anyone else to second guess in my view. That said, its not something to be decided on a whim or based on emotion. Simply weigh the pros and cons, and make the call that is best in your situation.
  
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  Sample Disassociation Letter please?

  by LifesNotOver in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i want to send a disassociation letter to the elders at my old congregation.

  how do i address it and what wording do i use?

  i know it's not something i have to do, it's symbolic for me.

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  My suggestion: Don't do it. Don't play their game. Ignore their rules. Simply don't see the upside with the strategy. Just distance yourself. They will figure it out soon enough and shun you anyway.
  
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  U.K. Article: Blood transfusion refusals – why new guidelines aren’t up to scratch

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  http://theconversation.com/blood-transfusion-refusals-why-new-guidelines-arent-up-to-scratch-70237.

  blood transfusion refusals – why new guidelines aren’t up to scratch .

  february 22, 2017. blood transfusions are a common and often lifesaving procedure.

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  The undue influence is more related to the Watchtower and its members. With respects to the medical community, its more complex, but still problematic and troubling imo.
  
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  U.K. Article: Blood transfusion refusals – why new guidelines aren’t up to scratch

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  http://theconversation.com/blood-transfusion-refusals-why-new-guidelines-arent-up-to-scratch-70237.

  blood transfusion refusals – why new guidelines aren’t up to scratch .

  february 22, 2017. blood transfusions are a common and often lifesaving procedure.

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  Lee Elder

  I can see a number of problems with these guidelines. There is certainly much useful information, but some serious deficiencies as well. While much can be said in terms of the benefits of respecting personal belief, and cooperating with individuals in their exercise of their beliefs; the level of cooperation that is readily apparent between Watchtower officials and the authors of these guidelines is deeply troubling. Asking someone to reject certain types of blood transfusions (and permit many others) is a very serious matter. Thousands of lives hang in the balance.

  Medical ethicists and AJWRB (ajwrb.org) have for nearly two decades shed light on the level of coercion, duress and undue influence imposed by Watchtower on members to enforce compliance. The notion that a JW (particularly one raised in the religion) possess the capacity to make a free and informed choice is inconceivable to anyone who is fully informed.

  WT officials continue to expand their influence in the medical community to try and mainstream their irrational views on the use of blood products. As the larger story becomes fully known, they are likely to regret their efforts at accommodation.